Fire Talks

What is a Fire Talk?

A fire talk is a shamanic counseling session.  Rooted in the ancient curanderismo traditions of the Americas, these platicas del corazon (discussions of the heart) are deep, open exchanges that support you in discovering your true self and finding your way forward in life.  The experience is like having a conversation with a wise old friend, in the spirit of the dialogues between don Juan and his young apprentice Carlos Casteneda, sitting on the veranda or out in a desert canyon around a fire.  Together we listen to what is felt but not seen, sensing the quiet but insistent invitations of your heart, identifying the hesitations and barriers to those, and helping you move forward in life-giving new directions with new confidence and power.  The fire talk process is outlined in detail in Jeff's book, The Lost Art of Heart Navigation.

Jeff offers 5 fire talk options (details of each below)

  • Individual fire talk sessions (1.5-2 hrs.)
  • Long-distance fire talks (via internet/Zoom)
  • Day-long intensives (several sessions in a day)
  • Multi-day intensives (with overnights in our guest house)

The issues that people bring to fire talks include all the normal human struggles like stress, anxiety, depression, relationships, and career transitions, as well as spiritual issues like feeling stagnant, lost, or purposeless in life.  But the shamanic approach is different and much deeper than conventional psychological counseling or self-help approaches.  We use ancient and deeply soulful practices to directly access the vision and power of your own heart, as well as our shared spiritual connection with all living things for reliable, safe, and time-tested guidance in navigating life's most uncharted waters.  Shamanic fire talks are not a religious  program or mental technique but rather about discovering a new way of being that is more in line with one's natural self, where all the joy and power is.

Fire talk sessions typically include a gentle blend of traditional shamanic practices with modern counseling wisdom and may include focused conversation, shamanic journeying, visioning exercises, intensive journaling, dream work, soul retrieval ceremony, and more.  Fees are set on a sliding-scale basis to help more individuals benefit from the work.


"This week (of fire talk sessions) has been one of the most life-changing things I've ever experienced."  - Tiffany, mother of twins, Florida


Here's a short video describing the fire talk lineage, and Jeff's process:


You can use e-mail to schedule a fire talk or ask a question.  Fees and details listed in each section below.

"I was feeling very lost during a crossroads in my life.  Jeff was able to create a sacred space over the phone and helped me reach an understanding of my life, my choices, and first steps in moving forward. I gained so much clarity in that session I decided to study with Jeff.  He held great kindness, compassion and patience.  Blessings."  -Annie, Illinois

"Thanks, Jeff!  When our son Chris (17) shared insights from his fire-talk, Paul and I were both stunned and amazed. We tried not to bust out in tears. It was nothing short of miraculous. Chris was given an incredible gift today. THANK YOU for sharing your gifts with our son. We look forward to future sessions!"  -Barbara, Indiana

"One can teach the process, but be assured that no one can ask just the right questions at the right time (did someone say lawyer?), guide the discussion in such a gentle, insightful way, and reflect such intuitive vision as you." Victoria, financial manager, Michigan.


Individual Fire Talk Session

Fire talks take place in Jeff's backyard Hermitage in South Bend.  We start with several minutes of mindful silence, then light the flame of an earthenware lamp for a sage blessing and prayer.  Jeff then provides a brief overview of the earth-honoring spiritual traditions, and we begin.

It's a gentle yet purposeful process of getting quickly to the heart of the situation you are facing, helping you clarify a vision for what is most deeply needed in your life, and naming the barriers that stand in the way of following that vision.  The relaxed time frame (about 2 hours) allows deep exploration of those needs and barriers.  You will leave with a clearer vision for your life, more confidence in a forward-leading path, and specific action steps toward living out and protecting this new path in your daily life.

How many sessions?  You decide.  Some people find one session is enough to deeply clarify things and move forward.  Others return for some additional sessions to work through a more persistent challenge.  Still others schedule ongoing sessions because they enjoy the process, need the support and accountability, and because it works.

For more on fire talks and Jeff's practice, see FAQs.


  • First session (2 hrs) is a sliding-scale fee from $80.-$120.  Meaning, you decide what you can afford to pay within this given range.  This allows more people to take advantage of the fire talk experience.  
  • Additional sessions (1.5 hrs) for a lower a sliding-scale fee from $70.-90.
  • Visitors can pay with cash, check, or credit card.  (Additional 3% processing fee for a card.)

Contact Jeff to set up your initial fire talk.


“I am impressed that our sessions got right to the heart of the deep issues, and are very Spirit- led.  Much more efficient (and much more fun) than traditional counseling!”   -Katrina EA, financial advisor

"Talking with Jeff really helps me get through the problems I am dealing with, whether they are emotional or physical, obvious or deeply hidden inside myself.  I feel very comfortable there, and walk away feeling much more calm and collected than I did walking in."  -Lisa, high school senior. 


Online Fire Talks

Fire talk sessions can be conducted long-distance via online Skype or Zoom teleconference when travel to South Bend is not practical. Jeff sends online clients a preparation guide ahead of time to help prepare for the session and create the necessary sacred space on both ends of the line.

  • Fees: First session (2 hrs): a sliding-scale $85.-$125
  • Additional sessions (1.5 hrs): a sliding-scale fee $75.-$95.
  • Visitors can pay with cash, check, or credit card.  (Additional 3% processing fee for a card.)


"I reached out to schedule a video conference with Jeff after reading his book.  From the moment we connected, I felt the space to be safe, secure, and powerful. Jeff's deep listening, reflection, grounded humanity, and non-judgmental compassion created a sense of space that allowed a deep wisdom to emerge. I left feeling much more clear, lighter, and filled with gratitude."  -- Michael, Los Angeles, CA

"Thank you to Jeff  for his telephone fire talk that held me in a sacred space and allowed to me see that spirit had blessed me with a shamanic "dismemberment" of my life so I could be put back to together, in a stronger more loving way... I discovered a huge opening in my life of freedom to grow my stronger and with more sacred energy. What a gift to see this year differently, with deeper eyes and a grateful heart. Thank you so much Jeff.'"  - Annie, New Lenox, IL


Full Day Intensive

You can schedule several fire talks over the course of the day to allow more time and depth for the work together.  Jeff enjoys working into the evening hours so this can extend our time available.  Working out of Jeff's backyard Hermitage, we  alternate between the fire talk sessions and long breaks with quiet solo time for you to process the work and do additional reading or 'homework' assigned.

The fire talk practices we utilize may include guided shamanic journeys, meeting one's spirit guide or power animal, core journaling exercises, and traditional shamanic ceremonies like soul retrieval.  The work is customized to support your particular needs, your vision and life challenges.G

Fees: Fees are set based on the number and length of sessions provided.  The typical two-hour fire talk session during an intensive day is $100.  Visitors can pay with cash, check, or credit card.  (Additional 3% processing fee for a card.)

Contact Jeff to inquire today.

"I saw myself from a new perspective with this process.  Sitting by the fire, Jeff had me choose objects from a bowl that represented aspects of my journey and struggle, and place those on a table.  This was a refreshing way to look at my life in an honest, non-judgmental way and find a practical solution by the end of the session."  -Deanna, spiritual director


Multi-Day Intensives

Fire talk intensives involve several days to a week of fire talk sessions for a deep, retreat-like experience to withdraw fully from the activity of life and explore the full guidance of your heart.  Guests stay at a nearby hotel or one of the many cozy Airbnb rooms available in our area.  Ample time is allowed between sessions for reading, journaling, walks along the river, naps(!) and IMGP1413contemplation in our beautiful backyard retreat space.

Fees:  Fees are based on the number and length of fire talk sessions provided.  A typical 2-hour session during this series of intensive sessions is $100.  Example: A recent client from California stayed five days, with three 2-hour fire talk sessions per day (at 10a, 2p, and 7p) and escorted side trips to a county park, and the Lake Michigan beach for a closing fire ceremony.   Her fees averaged $100. per session, and she stayed in our guest house for $55. per night.

Upon booking your travel dates, Jeff will email you an invoice for an advance deposit of 30% to reserve the dates (and our guest house if applicable) exclusively for you.


I was fortunate to spend six sessions over two days with Jeff.  His experience in spiritual guidance, fused with his expertise in the ancient, beautiful structures of shamanic practice, offered me new ways, new tools, to see more clearly and then integrate experiences that have created life-long stumbling blocks.  From start to finish, my whole experience — made wonderfully easier by having use of his second, remodeled home next door — felt not just worthwhile, but a deep blessing and a gift.   -Ann, attorney, Portland, OR

"I spent a three-day weekend at Jeff's backyard Hermitage and had a wonderful time relaxing and reflecting between our fire talk sessions.  It was truly refreshing to get away from my regular life to really be with myself and explore my heart uninterrupted.  The icing on the cake was conversation with Jeff's kind wife Regina, and playing with his energetic dog Indie!"  -Anders, U of Michigan senior, Ann Arbor, MI

"Jeff, thanks so much for your time this evening. My husband and I had a great talk tonight; I asked him a lot of the same questions that you asked me.  His answers were very insightful.  I felt like a shaman 🙂  Much appreciation for your work!  I look forward to working with you again!  P.s.- I am going to give my mom your card." -Cathy (physical therapist)



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